Tuesday, October 2, 2012

The Twelfth Tuesday We Talk About Forgiveness

Morrie says there is no point in vengeance or stubbornness.  Having too much pride and vanity causes people to not forgive one another or even  themselves.  You must forgive yourself and others before it is too late.

41 comments:

  1. I believe that Morrie has the appropriate idea on forgiveness. It is true that if you can forgive yourself it’s easier to forgive others. I would follow Morrie’s lesson to forgive oneself for the fact the there are many things that we all have to forgive ourselves for. Some things will seem important for us to forgive, yet the most important things for us to forgive are sometimes the smallest insecurity that we have to learn to accept or deal with.

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  2. You must find in yourself to ability to forgive the wrongs of others and yourself. Do not allow your pride to refuse them this, for you must be able to forgive, otherwise you may not be able to find peace in death. You must be able to love yourself, even though you may have committed sin or wrong someone. You have to stay strong and not allow your pride you vanquish your ability to forgive.

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  3. Forgiveness is never easy. I know this, and yet, I still agree with Morrie. Forgiving is something that needs to be done, but I believe you should forgive yourself before forgiving others. Without doing that, your forgiveness for the other person is futile. Forgiveness is hard, like I've said before but not impossible. Now, all I have to do is find the courage to forgive propel who have hurt me, which might be very difficult...

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  4. One of the hardest things you can do is try to forgive someone who has hurt you. Sometimes the person that hurts you the most can be yourself. No matter what, I have learned that forgiveness is important. Forgiveness has brought one of my closest friends back into my life, but before I could forgive him I first had to forgive myself. One of the most important quotes in this book can be found in this chapter. Morrie said, "Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others." Another good Morrie quote in this chapter is, "There is no point in keeping vengeance or stubbornness. These things I so do regret in my life." When it comes down to it, you do not want to die with regrets.

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  5. I agree with Morrie that forgiveness is a very important things. With too much pride, you will not forgive those who wronged you. Sometimes it is better to forgive and forget, than to hold a grudge. If you never forgive anyone, you will never have any friends because everyone makes at least one mistake against their friends. I am sorry to say that there are some things I can not forgive. I cannot forgive betrayal. I wish I could forgive and forget that, but i can't. Usually, I am a very forgiving person. I'm not one to hold grudges over small things. I agree that forgiveness is an important thing. To forgive others, you must forgive yourself.

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  6. Forgiveness really is a difficult thing to do. Even if you forgive things can't ever be the same, that base line of trust is gone. You could just be afraid of getting hurt again, but that's okay. I've held a grudge for an entire year, I eventually caved in and forgave that person. Looking back I've probably hurt a lot of people and we wouldn't still be friends if they never forgave me. In order to forgive others you need to forgive yourself first.

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  7. Forgiveness is such a small word. It really is. It contains so much meaning and so much potential that could alter the rest of your life and influence other's. The first thing I learned, even before I read Morrie Schwartz's talk about the subject of forgiveness, is that the first person you need to forgive is yourself. Don't beat yourself up for a mistake or misjudgement that you carried out. That will only make you feel worse, and possibly, others.
    Second comes the person(s) you affected. Not everyone has the same mind and intentions as you. You need to respect that in a mature manner and not flip out when you confront that person. When this happens to me, I just try to realize where that person is coming from. Even if I don't agree with them, I'll forgive them.
    Forgiving people has also helped me to come closer to others and to interact with them easier and with more understanding. Learning how to forgive someone is hard, but in the long run, you'll feel better about yourself, knowing you've done the right thing.

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  8. Forgiveness. For you to be able to forgive someone else you first have to forgive yourself. Forgiveness is never easy though. I learn that forgiveness can make the mind stronger. There's times where it takes every piece of me to forgive but I know I have to because it's the right thing. My dad always told me "forgive but never forget". I need to let things go. When you forgive someone that bond between you both gets stronger. I know that from experience. Always forgive. But never forget.

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  9. Forgiveness is something that I find very hard to do at times because sometimes, when people say "sorry" they don't really mean it and you can tell by either the tone of their voice or the look in their eyes. It's like dropping a plate and making it shatter to hundreds of pieces. You can say sorry to the plate all you want but it will still remain broken. The same with people. Saying sorry doesn't always fix something. In order to gain forgiveness you have to work for it and show that you're worthy of it. In order to make the plate whole again you have to fix it piece by piece.

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  10. Forgiveness is a struggle we all have at one point of our lives. I personally find it very hard to forgive someone. That is mainly because you have to mean it, you can't just say "sorry" and then just walk away. Also, saying sorry does not always fix that issue you have. You have to show that you want forgiveness in order for it to mean something. I know that I have hurt people, but in the end, amending your issue with forgiveness is worth the effort to make things right.

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  11. Forgiving someone, can be a very hard thing to do. When forgiving someone, you may forgive them, but not to the maximum strength of forgiveness. There are some very rude, cruel hearted people in this world, that you thought you would never encounter. Just by saying sorry, isn't going to get you anywhere, unless you truly mean it. Some people, you can be able to forgive, and forget, but sometimes, just sometimes, you know that that person is not going to change their actions. Sometimes forgiving someone, is your best thing to do, even though you know that trusting that person will not be easy in the near future. Being given forgiveness isn't going to be given to you with a snap of a finger, and it won't always be easy obtaining that forgiveness. I think personally, that staying mad at someone or holding a grudge, is a harder thing to do than forgiving a person. Forgiving someone can become very valuable, because you never know when you might need that person.

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  12. Forgiving is something that everyone has to do in their lifetime, but its not an easy thing. Sometimes your the person who has to forgive a person, and sometimes your the person who has too be forgiven. Nobody is perfect, so that means that somebody is going to do something that is going to bothers someone. Not everybody can just come out and say I forgive you after they were hurt. Even I have a hard time forgiving, but in the end it pays off.

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  13. Morrie says, “Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others.” I do not agree with this completely. Always put others ahead of yourself. You must learn to forgive others before you can learn to forgive yourself. I will always be forgiven because I have been forever forgiven for my sins by putting my trust in Jesus Christ. When Jesus died on the cross, the penalty for all of my sins was paid. He died for our sins to be forgiven, not for him to be forgiven. He puts us ahead of himself every day, and we should do the same. Do not go around forgiving yourself before others, because, if we did that, we would never forgive anyone but ourselves. We do so many things every day that we need to be forgiven for that it would take all day to forgive ourselves. God forgave us, so now it is our time to do the same and forgive others. No sin is too big or too bad to be forgiven. We should not think that what someone did was so horrible that we can never forgive them. When you forgive others, it is you who is being lifted of the burden. It is you who is becoming free. It does not even matter if they accept your forgiveness or not. When you forgive others, you can live a happier life, and not be burdened down with grudges, bitterness, and hurt. When you forgive others, you are then free to forgive yourself. You can choose to forgive others, no matter what they did to you. It is a choice. Forgive others, and do it before you forgive yourself.

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  14. "Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others." Forgiveness is such an important thing in our lives. In order for us to forgive others we must forgive ourselves first. Forgiveness does not come easy but with it comes a sense of relief because to forgive is one of the hardest things to do. If someone ever betrays or hurts me, I find it very hard to forgive them. However, I realized that once I forgive someone I can move on with my life. It's not good to hold grudges like Morrie did. It would break my heart if I wasn't on good terms with someone I knew, and they suddenly passed away. I agree with Morrie when he talks about not waiting to forgive yourself and others. Not everyone has the time to wait. Personally, when I make a mistake, I do not beat myself up over it. I realize that it's okay to make mistakes as long as I forgive myself. I do not want to wake up every day and be mad at myself for something I did in the past. Everyone makes mistakes, so it is important that we make peace with them. By embracing forgiveness, I can also embrace peace, gratitude, hope, and joy. While giving forgiveness may not always be easy, it is always worth it.

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  15. Anyone can say I’m sorry, but it takes a strong person to forgive. Forgiveness does not come easy, for it is usually associated with some type of hurt, a deep hurt. One often says how can I forgive when I cannot forget. No you can’t forget but what you can do is turn that into a learning experience learn from the hurt, not allowing it to occur again. No you can forget but don’t let it consume your life for it will only cause you guilt. I have been there, always being there for friends but when you need them where have they gone? I have forgiven many, but have I forgotten, no. I am not a vengeful person so I will forgive but not forget. As my mother taught me the golden rule “Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.” Morrie experienced this with his old friend Norman, he never forgave him or allowed reconciliation which he now regrets. Morrie stress “it is vital to forgive oneself, just as it is to forgive others.” I guess this is why I frequently say sorry is a five letter with no meaning, because people always tell me this, then hurt me again. I do forgive, I can’t forget and I dislike the word sorry.

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  16. My mom always tells me, “Forgive and forget.” I never really thought about it until reading this chapter. I thought it meant you just blurt out an apology and then the situation is fixed. However, it means that once you sincerely forgive, you need to forget about the mourning and always remind yourself of the forgiveness. It can be very difficult to forgive someone, and even more challenging to forgive yourself. As humans, we seem to ignore our wrongs; we know if we did something wrong, but we can never admit it. We strive for perfection and that is what is hurting us the most. If we accidently trip someone, our natural instinct is to apologize using the typical cliché “I’m sorry,” but it is not sincere. The story Morrie told Mitch about his friend really stood out to me (pg 165-166). It simply proves that forgiving someone, and more significantly yourself, is very important in life because it will come back and bite you in the butt. All the regrets build up. The only way to get rid of regrets is to forgive.

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  17. We all need to forgive others as well as ourselves. As hard as it may be, you shouldn’t leave words unsaid. I think that we all need to learn to forgive others and let go of insignificant grudges that we’ve been holding for years. Even though it’s sad to think about, you don’t know for certain if you’ll ever get the chance to forgive someone again. That’s why forgiveness is so important. I know that I wouldn’t want to be in Morrie’s situation. If I was Morrie, I would definitely regret not forgiving someone when I had the chance. I would probably have a hard time forgiving myself. In my opinion, you need to forgive yourself and then forgive others. You shouldn’t beat yourself up over every mistake you make. No one is perfect. We can’t dwell on all the things that we do wrong and all the things that we don’t do that we probably should. Like Morrie said, you need to make peace with yourself. “Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others.”

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  18. You can't live your whole life hating other people for the things they did. I know personally that when someone really hurts you and really messes up your life it's almost impossible to forgive them. It may take months maybe even years. You eventually have to learn to accept the fact that this person screwed you over and then just move on. You don't have to agree with what they did or think their actions were justified, you just have to let it go. You can try and "put yourself in their shoes" as much as you want, but sometimes there is no good reason for that person to hurt you. Sometimes people will hurt you just because they can.
    On the other hand when it's you who hurts someone, it's hard to forgive yourself. Sometimes you're actions only hurt yourself, and you have to learn to forgive yourself. People are stupid. We do stupid things. We do things we'll regret, and we usually end up punishing ourselves for it. There's just no use in beating yourself up over something you did. Whether it's something you did yesterday or years ago.

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  19. At one point in our lives, we have made a mistake. We have all hurt someone, or have had our own feelings hurt. I know it can be really hard to forgive someone, especially when they hurt you, but you have to forgive. You can`t go along hating everyone that ever did something wrong, no one is perfect, you`ve mad mistakes too. Forgiveness in very important. Morrie says that it is not only important to forgive others, but we need to forgive ourselves as well. I think that is harder, forgiving ourselves. There are times when I think about things I have done in the past and regret, but I have to forgive myself. It`s in the past, we have to forgive others, forgive ourselves, and move on. Like Morrie said, "You can`t get stuck on the regrets of what should have happened."

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  20. It is very important to be able to forgive. Often, people get angry at someone who did something wrong. The person that made a mistake does not always mean it, but they never do receive forgiveness. I follow Morrie's example in saying,"Forgive yourself, then forgive others." This is important because if you do not forgive someone for what they have done then you will later regret it. Also if you do not forgive yourself then you will always feel down, and never be relieved. I hope I will get better at forgiving others. I will work on it by thinking about how I will later regret not forgiving someone.

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  21. On The Twelfth Tuesday, Mitch and Morrie talk about Forgiveness. On page 166 Morrie says " It's not just other people we need to forgive, Mitch, we also need to forgive ourselves." I strongly agree with Morrie, because some people forgive so easy. Also some people never forgive themselves for something they regret doing. They hold it against themselves until the day they die. I believe that when you and your friend regret into a fight and one of you don't talk to the other for a long time. I think that one et it go and forgive the other one.

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  22. Morrie and Mitch talk about forgiveness on the twelfth Tuesday. During this lesson says to Mitch "Forgive yourself. Forgive others. Don't wait, Mitch. Not everyone gets the time I'm getting." We never know when we are going to die or when other people are going to die. Therefore we need to forgive while we still can. If we hold a grudge on someone for so long that the person no longer is alive for us to forgive them then we are going to feel pretty horrible. We need to forgive while we can so that we don't have to suffer from our regret of never forgiving that person.

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  23. Forgiveness is a very powerful thing. A lot of people do not understand forgiveness is not for the other person, it is for you. Everyone makes mistakes and deserves forgiveness. Morrie's friend, Norman, upset him because he did not keep in touch with him when Morrie's wife had surgery. Norman tried to explain his actions and asked for forgiveness, but Morrie declined. Norman died of cancer and Morrie never got to say another word to him. Morrie's heart was full of pain because of they way things ended with his friend. This was a mistake by Morrie and he himself ended up feeling hurt. Again, forgiveness is not for the other person it is for you. I do not want this to happen to me. I f I ever end up in a situation similar to Morrie's, I will be sure to forgive the person who wronged me.

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  24. This was my favorite Tuesday of this book. "Forgive yourself before you die, then forgive others (pg. 164)." Morrie, throughout the book, connects each Tuesday with the previous one. He connects forgiveness with regrets and he couldn't have been more right. In order to let go of those regrets, get over the things you did or didn't do, you have to forgive yourself. To explain this Morrie tells the story of Norman. Norman moved away as Morrie's wife was about to undergo surgery and never called to see how she was doing. Morrie, in later years, briefly talked to Norman. When he tried t apologize, Morrie just shrugged him off. This was one of Morrie's regrets. This is a great lesson for all of us. We need to let things go, make peace with the person, and become friends with them again. The battle is not worth it, but the friendship that you or that person could have is worth it. Forgive yourself. Forgive others.

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  25. The first sentence of this chapter basically outlines an sumarizes the whole thing. It says "forgive yourself before you die. then forgive others." We need tp forgive ourselves then i believe we will be much more peaceful and not be mad at ourselves for things we did or didn't do. Then we need to forgive others, the story Morrie told about how he didn't forgive his friend Norman. Morrie really regretted this, we need to forgive other because we never know if it is our or their last days and we might never get a chance to. If you really think about it holding grudges never does anyone good, you are still angry and the person still feels bad. If you get the friend back it will be worth it.

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  26. In the beginning of this chapter Morrie says, "Forgive yourself before you die, then forgive others." This line nails life on the head. People regret so many things in there life, things they did do, and things that they did not do. You must learn to accept that fact that it happened or didn't happen, and you must forgive yourself for the outcome. Forgiveness is for yourself not anyone else, it is for you to know that you accept that what happened happened and you are moving on for it. After you learn to forgive yourself, forgive others, because you will always have anger for yourself but you need to let that go because it will destroy you. Forgiving others seems easy but it is not. Yet we must do it cause if we miss our opportunity to, we will never forgive our self. This is why forgiveness is important for everyone no matter what.

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  27. "Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others." Morrie tells this to Mitch in this chapter. Forgiving people can sometimes be the hardest thing to do. Forgiving yourself can even be harder. Morrie tells Mitch that he learned that thinking about what you should've done or things in that respect only breaks you down. You can't put yourself down like that. You have to let go of your mistakes and accept them because there is nothing you can do about them now. If there are other people in your life who you have to forgive and haven't yet then you should because you may never get to tell them sorry or talk to or even see them again. For example, what Morrie told Mitch about his old friend and how he died of cancer. Morrie said he regretted not forgiving him. It can hurt you very much inside if you go forever with holding a grudge against someone. Even if it was someone you disliked you should still forgive them because you could still regret it in the future. It's best to just forgive everyone including yourself because, like Morrie, it could make you a much happier person on the inside and out. You can die knowing you left no mistake behind. Morrie says he is very lucky to be given such an early warning about his death. I agree because most people just die without knowing they were going to. Morrie was given a lot of time to fix things and set his own mind strait along with many others. Overall I think that Morrie was happy he was able to have time to forgive himself. We should all start forgiving ourselves now, however, since not everyone is given as much notice as Morrie was.

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  28. Forgiveing someone is one of the hardest things a person can do. No matter angry or upset you are with them, you have to learn that everyone's human and we all make mistakes. It's very difficult to forgive someone but once you do, it makes you feel better. I felt bad when Morrie talked about his old friend that he never forgave because it sounded like he lost a good friend. I realize that some things take longer to heal than others and that's okay. As long as you can try to reconnect with the people that hurt you and forgive them you'll be okay. It may seem hard but it's one of the best things ou can do. When you make a mistake, big or small, all you want is for the person you hurt to forgive you. When they don't its tough but when they do they show how much they really care about their realationship with you. I hope I can make the decision to forgive people for what they're done for me just as easily as I can forgive myself for the things I did and didn't do.

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  29. You shouldnt hold grudges. Learn to forgive people and move on from that. Everyone makes mistakes we are human. Don't not forgive someone just because of something they did in the past. Morrie believes everyone should be forgiven for their actions. maybe you need some time to think about the other persons actions but dont lose someone important to you just because of something little and stupid they did. There is going to be a difference, if they actually try to apoligize and talk to you about it I think you should see from their point of view and appretiate that they are trying to make it right. If they dont try at all, thats a different stroy. Maybe they need some time to approach you the correct way.

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  30. Forgiving people is so important. On the twelfth Tuesday, they discussed this topic. Morrie told Mitch of a friend he used to have. They were great friends until their was a little feud. Morrie explained how the friend had died a few years ago, and he never got to say that he forgave him. Morrie felt awful. That situation comes back to the topic of regret. Morrie never got to say "I forgive you" or "goodbye," but it shows how important it is to forgive someone. You might not always see eye to eye with someone. Most likely you'll get in a little fight. Why hold on to that anger though? Just put the disagreement behind you and forgive them. Life's too short to be angry at someone.

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  31. I think we should all learn to forgive ourselves and other people. When someone you trust betrays you it can be very hard to forgive them. I agree with Morrie. We can't hold grudges from the past. Everyone makes mistakes. As long as we learn from them, then we deserve to be forgiven. We shouldn't beat ourselves up over something that happened. We have to make peace with ourselves and others. I always forgive people because I think it's the right thing to do. I do not want to end up like Morrie because he did not forgive an old friend then he suddenly died, and he felt bad for not forgiving him.

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  32. Holding grudges is so hard and so full of disappointment to yourself and the other person. Forgive is what you need to do!! Those who didn't have a chance to forgive probably wished they had. Because being forgiven is a good feeling and is full of relief. When you are not being forgiven, it is probably because you are probably still doing it. First thing you need to do, learn from the mistakes!! Then, forgive yourself for the mistake. Finally, say you're sorry. If you do this procedure, they would forgive you. Forgiving brings relief and happiness to those who need it. It is always a good thing to forgive. Morrie never got a chance to forgive others and he wishes so much to have that opportunity. Do not wait!! Forgive the person and forget the mistake because you probably don't want to miss the chance.

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  33. Forgiveness is a very hard thing sometimes to do in life, but we need to learn to. Holding grudges can not only affect you but maybe even some people around you. Morrie explains how he once had a friend named Norman, and he held a grudge over him for a long time, and before he could forgive him Norman died of cancer. No one likes to be upset and feel like they have down something wrong, and all it takes is for someone to say I'm sorry, or I forgive you to make everything better again. Point is don't wait to forgive someone do it while you have the chance. "Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others." You never want to die having all these regrets inside and things bothering you. Instead say your sorry to yourself for the things you have done, and some of the things you wished you would have done. Don't get stuck on the regrets that should of happened. Forgive before it is to late.

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  34. Forgiving someone is not always the easiest thing to do, especially when that person may have done something extremely terrible. I have learned to forgive by the result of a fight with a close friend.
    …There we were jumping on my trampoline, having a grand time until this person -I will not name names- thought it would be funny to push me off while I was in mid-flip. I landed flat on my back with nothing but the cold, hard ground to cushion my fall. After this, I did not speak to her for about twenty minutes. Aside from the fact that it was getting really awkward when her dad was not able to pick her up, I then realized that if I did not forgive and forget the incident, I would lose my best friend… actually my only friend… When the apologies were all said and done, things went back to normal between us, and we both left with life lessons. My friend’s was that it is not polite to push people off of the trampoline. I learned that if you refrain from granting forgiveness, people will refrain from being your friend.

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  35. Sometimes forgiveness is a very hard thing to do, but it is better than a holding a grudge that will eat you alive inside. For insistence, Morrie decided to not to forgive his friend, Norman, and he then found out later he had died of cancer. Now, knowing he did not get to forgive him bothers Morrie very much everyday. It is important for us to forgive and forget. Just a simple "it's okay" means a lot to someone who has built up the courage to say they are sorry. Once you forgive and forget it is a lot easier to move on from the past. No one wants to have to live with the guilt of not getting to forgive the person they wanted to, so it is important to not hesitate when people say they are sorry just forgive and forget. Also, forgive yourself. Forgive yourself so that you can move on from things you have guilt over. In conclusion, forgiveness is everything so don't forget to forgive not only others but yourself.

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  36. To forgive, you must forget. No matter how hard it will be. But, eventually, you're going to want that one person or friend back. Even if it wasn't your fault, you should still apologize, because if you miss that one person, and you want them back into life, you have to take that first step if they won't.

    I've learned that as much harm as that person did, (besides MAJOR things, not stealing your food.) you should forgive them, because they deserve it. If they were a good friend, they didn't mean it, and eventually, you or them, is going to apologize. Either way, and apology is needed. There shouldn't be a dual about who should apologize to who. It should be a mutual apology. If it's not, compromise a little bit. But, always remember to forgive.

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  37. "Forgive yourself before you die. Then forgive others." ~page 164
    Morrie deeply regrets not forgiving his friend Norman who dies of cancer before Morrie could reconcile with him. I know how it feels. Not the forgiving part but the not saying goodbye part. My grandma died unexpectedly and the worst part about it is that I don't remember the last words I had even said to her. They weren't goodbye or anything like that, though I wish they had been, but I can't remember what they were. I always feel guilty anytime we visit her grave or speak about her. Everybody else seems to remember what they said to her and the last time they saw her and know the last phone call they had with her. I don't. I never saved anything she gave me like cards and stuff. Just the jewelry and the dolls. And then one day I was looking through old cards and I found ONE card signed by her from Valentines Day. I regret not saving those little things that she signed and not paying attention to the conversations close enough, but Morrie makes a statement that lets me know what I have to do. I have to forgive myself for my negligence and I will feel better about my mistakes.

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  38. Most of the time people fight over little things and neither of them apologize. Due to the little fight a friendship was broken, all because someone was too "proud" to forgive one another. Everyone must forgive or you wouldn't have anyone in your life. If someone has the sense and pride to apologize to you, you better forgive them. Be the bigger person together. Forgiving is just as important as apologizing. The apoloigizer must realize what they did wrong and come to mends with it. The forgiver has to realize that the apoloigizer went out of their way to make mends with you.

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  39. My family lives very close in terms of forgiveness. We get into arguments, what family doesn't, and we forgive eachother in a couple of days. I agree with what Morrie says, poeple should forgive others because in the end, that person will be on your mind. You will try to think of all the ways you could have made it better and been friends with that person. Altough it is hard to forgive, I try to and I think everyone should try also. After hearing Morrie's words, I will attempt to forgive more and more people.

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  40. Twelfth Tuesday together, Morrie and Mitch talk about forgiveness. Morrie believes forgiveness should be given to everyone. I agree. I am not the person to hold a grudge, I tend to forgive a little too much. I feel forgiveness is the first step to a second friendship with the person. Morrie also says we need to forgive ourselves. This is not something I do. I do something bad and I live with it for months as it sticks to the top of my brain. Morrie explains what I need to do. I need to forgive myself of all of the regrets of what I did or did not do. Morrie taught me something here. Hopefully, I will try to use what I was taught through this chapter.

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  41. Forgiving is important. When Morrie explains to Mitch about forgiveness made me want to start forgiving. When he talks about how he didn't forgive Norman, was sad. After I saw that Norman died of cancer was the saddest part. Morrie really explained that story so good. I mean I thought it was touching. Morrie didn't listen to why Norman didn't call. That was understandable, but when he says, "we also to forgive ourselfs." Made me think twice. The twelfth Tuesday was one of my favorites because it made me think more about forgiving others and forgiving more often.

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